Underlying Messages
Jun. 10th, 2008 07:24 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ristinI thought I was pretty clear in my last post, but apparently not. The message of the last post was "people are innocent until proven guilty" and when someone gets accused of something, you should check for yourself first before buying the stories you get told. And that doesn't mean checking to see if other people are making the same accusation, it means checking if there is any proof from the accused that substantiates the accusations.
I apologize that this was presented too subtly for some readers, the fault for that was mine.
I apologize that this was presented too subtly for some readers, the fault for that was mine.
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Date: 2008-06-09 10:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-09 10:20 pm (UTC)Also, a murderer can possibly be found innocent if he has good enough lawyers. In essence, money can buy your innocence if you have it.
It should read "Innocent until be proven guilty, unless you have really bad lawyers that you didn't really pay for." But in actuality most people misquote that. It's "Innocent until proven guilty, in a court of law."
Lastly, by believing that, it allows any other politician seeking office against someone who says that about anything in regards to behavior, as an open invitation. In this case, there would be plenty of evidence to suggest that Obama is not forthcoming. Whether or not it's true evidence remains to be seen, but that's the burden of proof, and in order to convict a plantiff, a prosecutor would only need to introduce doubt that the person is innocent.
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Date: 2008-06-09 10:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-09 10:42 pm (UTC)If it's a positive ID and the security video shows someone committing a crime...wait, why is this supposed to be hard?
In this case, there would be plenty of evidence to suggest that Obama is not forthcoming.
So the lack of evidence is proof of hiding the evidence? There is no sign he is racist therefore he is concealing the fact he is racist? No, i'm not buying that. "If there's no fire there's no smoke".
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Date: 2008-06-09 11:02 pm (UTC)I rather like the "presumption of not guilty" better. Innocent would suggest you had absolutely nothign to do with anything you are possibly charged with. Not guilty means one didn't committ the act he/she stands accused of.
Lizzy Borden was found innocent, though interestingly enough, modern forensics compared with historical testimony prove otherwise.
Technology can prove or shatter innocence. And just being found innocent in a court really doesn't change the past if someone really did do what they were accused of.
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Date: 2008-06-09 11:04 pm (UTC)Yes and no.
Yes, if you want to be found cleared of a charge.
No, if you don't want to incriminate yourself in a different quagmire.
I'm willing to listen to Obama explain if he's willing to talk.
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Date: 2008-06-10 12:09 am (UTC)I never claimed I didn't assassinate JFK. I never once denied it. Does my lack of denial and the absence of proof count as proof I assassinated JFK?
Anyway Obama was accused of a long list of things he had never done and after the accusation defended himself. So he has talked, it's not a question of 'if he is willing' it's already been done. Repeatedly, sadly.
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Date: 2008-06-10 01:10 am (UTC)a.) You weren't born at the time
b.) You weren't in Texas.
The facts say it was impossible. :-)
There's things you can't deny because you weren't around, and then there's things you deny because there is some implication. Obama may not be racist, but he didn't seem to think it was important to leave the church sooner... or not have joined it at all, so something must have attracted him to it.
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Date: 2008-06-09 11:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-06-10 12:09 am (UTC)Will you and Vix be there for Exalted next weekend?
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Date: 2008-06-10 12:42 am (UTC)