Probably the first thing we should clear up. I never said that suicide wasn't selfish. It is, but they don't carry the weight of everyone else's selfishness as well. There is a huge difference between what I am saying and what you are hearing.
If you were to extend your argument logicall, you can reasonablly argue that my execution of another for personal gain shouldn't be barred by law because it is selfish of that individual to desire for his or her own existence.
You are imposing your desire on someone else, which is a big difference. Someone who commits suicide doesn't impose anything on anyone.
Emotional pain, particularly depression, is as often rooted in a kind of fucked up narcissism as it is anything else
I beg your pardon, but who the fuck are you to judge others..?
To suggest that it is the "weakness" of friends and family to care about that a family member commits suicide is just plain callous
I didn't say their love was a weakness, I said their attachment was. If you truly love someone, then you love them for exactly who they are, which means accepting their decisions as their own to make, and being unconditionally happy for them when they make them. People that hurt are exactly those people that have "invested" in you, as you put it, because their investment means they have something to lose. People that truly give to others haven't "invested" anything, and don't stand to lose anything, so their agenda doesn't come into it.
Now, in some situations, suicide can be a reasonable thing.
Excuse me again, but who the fuck are you to judge others..? Suicide is reasonable whenever the person committing it believes that it is.
A depressed person can ultimately get better, via force of will, change of environment, medication, or some other means.
And if their only recourse is medication which has terrible side effects, does this mean they should live through hell so that they don't hurt their friend's feelings..?
It is selfish to ask for the partner to not be able to sleep with whom they wish.
It is indeed, in exactly the same way. Cheating is something different though, because it involves the breaking of a trust given, and usually deception and dishonesty, but most often comes about because someone is being forced by another's selfishness into a path of action that is hurtful to them. Your analogy here gains you nothing, because I'm polyamorous.
For all the belief in an afterlife, why aren't more people overjoyed that their friends who commit suicide have moved onto their next existence..?
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Date: 2004-04-15 10:24 am (UTC)You are imposing your desire on someone else, which is a big difference. Someone who commits suicide doesn't impose anything on anyone.
I beg your pardon, but who the fuck are you to judge others..?
I didn't say their love was a weakness, I said their attachment was. If you truly love someone, then you love them for exactly who they are, which means accepting their decisions as their own to make, and being unconditionally happy for them when they make them. People that hurt are exactly those people that have "invested" in you, as you put it, because their investment means they have something to lose. People that truly give to others haven't "invested" anything, and don't stand to lose anything, so their agenda doesn't come into it.
Excuse me again, but who the fuck are you to judge others..? Suicide is reasonable whenever the person committing it believes that it is.
And if their only recourse is medication which has terrible side effects, does this mean they should live through hell so that they don't hurt their friend's feelings..?
It is indeed, in exactly the same way. Cheating is something different though, because it involves the breaking of a trust given, and usually deception and dishonesty, but most often comes about because someone is being forced by another's selfishness into a path of action that is hurtful to them. Your analogy here gains you nothing, because I'm polyamorous.
For all the belief in an afterlife, why aren't more people overjoyed that their friends who commit suicide have moved onto their next existence..?